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{SHARE} : Post Game Review
Morning Apex Crew. So far I’ve been single again for about 36HRs and I’m coming out of the gate hot. I’ll be journaling some of my Field Reports for us to breakdown, but also as a way to help myself understand the dynamics of dating since I’ve been out of the game for awhile. @Paul Benjamin any thoughts are always helpful, but I’d particularly like your feedback on #9 and my sexual action threshold theory. I’m out of town for a conference this week and got into town mid afternoon. I decided to use this as an opportunity to polish up my skills and shake the rust off from my pick up/cold approach. In one night, I met maybe a dozen women I had a connection with, and closed 4 of them with contact info. I’ll do a more general breakdown of the night, but for the first post I’ll share a girl I met and did a same-day-date with. After a few hours of bar hopping I decided to head back to my hotel for the night. I was taking my service dog for one last bathroom break and saw a cool high end bar across the street that was pretty slow but I was getting hungry. Turns out there’s a pretty cute chick by herself at the bar, so I sat 2 seats down from her. Long story short I opened her and started talking/connecting. Here’s what stood out from the night : 1. Getting to know her, I learned she is in from out of town as well to visit the corporate office, and actually lives about an hour from me back home. She has 2 kids, broke up with the father a few months ago and views these trips as her getaway where she can leave responsibilities and just relax. This was the first sign of a potential same night lay. 2. When building connection, we had a lot of moments where she was saying things like “wow I can’t believe this” and “that’s SO crazy” (in the stupid girl voice they all have lol). Turns out we’re from the same home town, are the same age, graduated the same year and have similar tastes. I also think it’s important to note that we don’t have any mutual friends. Another green light.
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New comment 4d ago
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Hey @John Rogalsky appreciate the share, I always learn something from your posts, which is awesome! Here's what I see from my perspective: Firstly, 36HRS of being single and going hot on the pickup, a question I have here is whether or not you've given yourself enough time to get over the last relationship. I don't know all the details of your situation, only what you've shared, but the new "Breaking Attachments" Course in the classroom lays out the timeline for recovery. If you're good and have already gotten over your last relationship, then that doesn't apply to you, totally disregard this one. Secondly, I do think her sexual action threshold could be a factor, but it sounds like she was put off by your repeated attempts to kiss her. She even said as much. It sounds like you were going for a same night lay, which is probably why you were going so aggressive, but there's a fine line between aggression (attractive) and coming across as needy/desperate (unattractive). I think this is a good one for practicing tactical empathy and seeing how she is responding and making adjustments accordingly. Sounds like she is still interested though, given she texted you back. I would recalibrate yourself given the new data you know about her, and continue down the seduction process!
Women are Hypergamous, Men want loyalty...
I'm posting this because an interesting question was brought up in another thread. It's a question that some of us men often ask, and that is "should I want more"? This is in reference to the goal of optimized happiness in an LTR. I covered in a previous post that some requirements a woman has for choosing a mate isn't actually them choosing based on "the best" or most optimized of a quality but on meeting a minimal requirement. So for example, height. Women might say "I want a guy who is six feet tall" but really most will fuck a guy (and relationship a guy) who is not 6 feet. It's really a minimal height that they are looking for. And she could be with a man who is 5'7" and that man can be "her best". Really it's a minimal standard that she needs. What makes them hypergamous is that there are 5 needs that they MUST maximize for a guy to be perceived as her Apex Alpha; those being meeting her Sexual, emotional, security, paternity, and legacy needs. A guy can be a greek god who checks all the blocks; but she will perceive the 5'7" man who gives her peak feelings in those 5 categories as "her best" mate option. You can read the other thread for more explanation on that with women. But what about guys? What can we look at to predict if a man is making the "right choice" for maximum happiness in an LTR? First off, men ARE NOT hypergamous. Men ARE NOT hypergamous. Meaning you, with the dick and balls..... YOU ARE NOT HYPERGAMOUS! lol, had to say that because I run into it with new guys to my stuff... they have heard the word and they think guys must be the same as women because of equality and gynocentrism and all that jazz. Nope lol. Men are different. Now, are some men "never satisfied" and always looking for more no matter what they have? Yes. But usually that is an inner game problem (I see this as a problem) that needs to be corrected. Most men aren't always striving for more in new women never to be satisfied ever when it comes to an LTR, provided that the woman checks his boxes (I will get into that later). And thank fucking God lol. What a nightmare that would be.
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New comment Oct 3
3 likes • Sep 30
@John Rogalsky Hey John, this topic can’t be more relevant to my current situation. As @Paul Benjamin knows, I am literally going through this right now. I got into a commitment with a girl who is actually a good girl, high desire, working on her shit, isn’t toxic during conflicts, does LUCA rather well, and we have had a bunch of amazing experiences together, but can’t help but think that I settled with her because I didn’t think I could do better at the time. I have the awareness that my Vasopressin levels are very high for this girl, because every time I do the exercise of evaluating her as a long term partner, I internally fight even entertaining the idea of her not being a good fit, I really care about her and refuse to break things off cause I want to be the man in her life, even though I know it's completely irrational and might not make sense for me to be her guy. I feel like an addict. After my last consult with Paul, the action plan was to evaluate my current situation and map out an exit strategy should it need to happen. Bro, I literally started to go through withdrawal symptoms even just entertaining the idea. Feelings of anxiety and dread, tightness in my chest, heart pounding, appetite went to zero and my sleep went to shit. I’m still working through what I’m going to do about the situation, but I wanted to echo the fact that Vasopressin is a powerful thing that absolutely effects your evaluation of someone and determining if they are actually a good fit or not. I’m here because I want to work through this and get better. Glad you're here though, makes me realize I’m not the only one going through this shit.
Dealing with fear-based hypervigilance while maintaining healthy boundaries
@Paul Benjamin I've noticed a tendency in myself to display hypervigilant and fear-based aggressive behaviors in circumstances that present perceived risk of being cheated/taken advantage of/snubbed ref. job circumstances/compensation/other things related to the lower levels of the Maslow hierarchy. I've no doubt this relates to paradigms that stem from childhood and fear of being neglected and the inherent threats to survival that brings in young life, but the question is this: How do I cultivate more composure when the instinct to "go for the jugular" (of a manager, colleague, business partner, etc.) and launch a preemptive strike/deterrance as soon as those long standing survival triggers/behaviors begin to manifest, while maintaining healthy and appropriate boundaries when lines are crossed? And how to accurately discern the difference? It hasn't yet caused true catastrophe in my life as outwardly i’m quite composed (but not perfect) but it could at the very least sour one's existence internally and it's not something I want to stain or be the flavor of my years on this earth. P.S. I'm sure there are direct parallels to how this plays out with a calm and composed mindset with women and maintaining frame as all of this comes down to a core feeling of safety that is independent of outside circumstance, but the above is a domain I find more important to serve first.
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New comment Oct 16
2 likes • Sep 16
Great question man! This is definitely something that I can relate to. Exteriorly I have been told that I handle situations very calmly and effectively, but internally I'm a shit-storm of emotions that I have to manage, which is exhausting and not adding to the overall enjoyment of my life. I recognize that many of my actions are fear-based and not an emotionally controlled, calibrated approach to getting what I want... You're definitely not alone on this one. Wish I could help but I still am figuring out how to handle it myself. Hopefully we can find a way to address this!
Apex ELITE... become a member.
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New comment Sep 13
1 like • Sep 12
@Paul Benjamin Hey Paul, interested in doing this! Feel like I've already been screened 😁 If it's all good I'll shoot you a text as well.
Setting Boundaries with the “Girl’s Trip”
{ask} Looking for some advice on how to go about determining and communicating my boundaries with regard to my girlfriend of 4 months going to Nashville for a weekend girl’s trip. I know the initial reaction in the red pill community is if she decides to go I am supposed to just break up with her, but I think it is more nuanced than that. We have already had discussions about boundaries with male friends, my stance being that she can have male friends, but if it starts to turn into sexual advances she is to shut it down. She has so far not given me any indications that she is seeking sexual attention from other men, and she is adamant that should a guy start making advances she will distance herself from that guy. But since this is still a new relationship, I haven’t actually seen this play out yet. I still need to talk with her about the specific details of the trip, but I do know it's to experience Nashville. From the onset my concerns are that she will be going to concerts and bars, i.e. a “party” environment, where men will be hitting on her and wanting to pursue something sexual, and that she will just go with the flow and put herself in situations where cheating can occur. I have not met the friends that she’s going with, nor will I probably be able to before the trip, so I don’t know the demographic (i.e. are they single looking for hookups or are they also in committed relationships). I don’t want to come across as controlling or insecure when expressing my boundaries with her, but my jealousy/mate guarding instinct is going into overdrive over this. I’m trying to discern if these anxieties are an internal issue to me, and something I need to address on my own, or if this is actually a situation that my anxieties are justified and I need to enforce a boundary. If the circumstances were different, like if this had been a trip where she was going camping/hiking in the mountains with her girlfriends, I wouldn't have an issue with it. But since the intent is to go to and "experience" Nashville, I do have concerns.
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New comment Aug 2
0 likes • Jul 31
@John E Great point on the sexual exclusivity playing a larger factor. I'll talk to her about it
1 like • Aug 2
@Paul Benjamin Appreciate the response, Paul, and for last night's call. I'm going to need to take some time to assess the amount of leverage I have in this relationship, and come up with a plan to improve it. Thanks again!
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