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"Welcome Welcome" (original hard rock song)
Here's a demo version of a song off the first hard rock album I've written entirely myself. I seem to remember some song by the Silent Still that had a similar theme in terms of welcoming people to their show. https://youtu.be/7e9RaBNltYA
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"Welcome Welcome" (original hard rock song)
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Hey Sean! Glad to see you here! I like your dynamics in this. The grit is nice and smooth too. Fun song! There's lot of nostalgia here for me, calling on what I associate with 90's style choruses and early punk/goth ballads for the verses.
The Jon Oliva Story and a question
Jon Oliva is one of the most underrated vocalists in metal. He fronted Savatage, which eventually metamorphosized into the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Savatage never made any money and they were actually three million dollars in debt at some point during the 1980s. The band was either going to have to quit. They were a classic metal band at a time when glam metal ruled and thrash metal bands were the wild, rebellious upstarts who were going against the grain in a decidedly non-glam style. Savatage didn't fit into the glam or the thrash scene. They had the songs, but they weren't what was trendy at the time and they never got radio play in the 80s when they were trying to break through. They ascended as far as opening for Dio and Ronnie James was quite impressed by the way Jon Oliva sang, but Dio was skeptical that Oliva's voice would actually make it through the entire tour. When Oliva was asked how he sang, he said: "You know how you yell when you're at a football team and then team you like scores a touchdown? That's how I sing." Despite having no formal training or a solid understanding of what he was doing, the man was so damn talented that he developed into an amazingly versatile singer who had a knack for being able to imitate almost any vocalist. Paul O'Neill was the man who stepped in when Atlantic Records was going to drop Savatage and said let me produce this band. I have a vision for them. That was 1987 and the first Savatage album O'Neill produced was Hall Of The Mountain King from that year. Their successive albums showed a distinctly progressive metal direction to their sound, with many songs that transcended the metal sub-genre of rock and at times, went beyond what would even typically qualify as rock. They'd have a totally heavy metal song on an album that would be followed by a song that sounded like it belonged in a Broadway musical. With each album, Savatage began to get closer to the project that Paul O'Neill had in mind for them - to turn them into the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. He was gradually getting that band acclimated to playing and writing in that style.
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The Jon Oliva Story and a question
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Still a fry scream in the modern metal vein. C5 to D#5 tends to have a lot of pitched resonance, perhaps even up to E5 or F5. And has even more of a mixed voice sound when utilizing a lot of cry physical quality. False cord's low acoustic and larynx position and hardcore bark's compression wouldn't be possible on those high pitches. I often use Architects' song, Royal Beggars, as an example of what it sounds like to use a pitched fry scream above C5. The screaming starts at 1:30. https://youtu.be/HNpWuwSVyDk?si=ekC4ng6Tlj5uEyHt
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To note, when someone's having a hard time learning to scream on A4 to B4, which is more typical of modern metal, it's usually easier to find a balance on C5 to D5 for them because of the extra tension of the pitch doing half the work. Then we work on relaxing down to an A4 over time.
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Low Notes: The Forbidden Realm In Rock Vocals
Why do you suppose it is that whenever somebody wants to talk about what impressive range a lead vocalist has, they almost unanimously praise the vocalists who can sing the highest notes i.e. , notes in the 5th and 6th octave, while they all but ignore the whole other side of the spectrum? There have been vocalists who sing extremely high notes with beautiful tone and it's a great thing, but so many others have sung high just for the sake of it and it's no more musical than a guitarist who thinks he's going to be praised as the next Eddie Van Halen or Yngwie Malmsteen without realizing that those musicians aren't unique because they could play fast just for the sake of speed. Those players became legends because they were unique and because they could play with great touch, tone and feel. They had impeccable intonation. Their vibrato was a thing of beauty....and yes, they could play as fast as they wanted to, but they were at their most exciting when they used speed in moderation. To place speed as a goal first and foremost and think that if you just run scales and play mindless repeating licks with no melody, that's nothing more than a fast way to get nowhere. The vocal equivalent is to squeeze out the highest notes a vocalist can possibly muster, at the expense of being screechy. It amounts to valuing quantity over quality. Without great tone, does it really matter if you can sing a G5? Axl Rose still sings high notes, but do they sound good to you? I'd rather hear him take his lines down an octave and sing them in chest than to hear him use that Mickey Mouse tone. Robert Plant did his best to sing the highest notes he could possibly crank out and guess what? At the ripe old age of 32, Robert Plant's career as a hard rock lead vocalist was over. His doctors told him that if he continued to scream out notes the way he had been, before much longer, his larynx would be reduced to rubble. Suddenly, singing a softer, lighter type of rock seemed appealing to him.
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@Russell Spear I agree any dynamics. I’m all about emotional, passionate storytelling through melody and energy. Done right, you don’t need lyrics to tell the story. Concerning relaxing the voice… One of the main reasons I’m working on version 2 of that course is because I have many more years, hundreds more 1:1 lessons, and thousands more students in the courses that I’ve learned to refine the methodology through. I did say in the course that, on average, it takes 2 to 3 months to learn to do the distortion you want, and about a year and a half to relax into it. More compressed grit distortions, like variations of hardcore bark, are only the exception to this in higher notes, at least when keeping a solid aggressive tone. G#4 started to feel pushed, and the voice had to take on a different shape to get to A#4 or B4 when that compressed. Going above that is near impossible without starting to lighten up and decompress a bit. It is possible to relax into hardcore bark, but it’s really more about getting lighter or quieter rather than relaxing compression. But as with almost any type of grit, some people have to go through forcing the shape to happen just to learn what that shape ifs before working on relaxing into the shape. The most difficult thing with learning grit is that you’re singing AND distorting, which are two different controls that feel like the opposite of each other. And our default reaction to difficulty like that is usually to try harder, which usually leads to pushing. The singing voice can be very counterintuitive in that respect, where trying harder causes stiffness and getting a bit lighter cause more agility and makes shaping the sound much easier.
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@Russell Spear I think that can be said of any singing technique.
No Quarter: Phil Anselmo's Influence And Beyond
In heavy metal there are two main eras: Before Pantera and after Pantera Phil Anselmo set the standard for what a modern metal vocalist could be. Phil could seemingly do it all. He could hit Rob Halford type high notes. He could sing in the really gritty hyper-compressed style of James Hetfield. He had the physicality of Henry Rollins of Black Flag and Rollins Band. He could even sing and make it sound pretty, like he did in the intro to Cemetery Gates. Then something unusual happened. Phil cut his hair. As a heavy metal vocalist in that era, that's somethin' ya just didn't do! Then he stopped singing the soaring high notes like he did at the end of Cemetery Gates or in Shattered, also from the Cowboys From Hell album. You didn't hear him sing pretty anymore. Anselmo was seemingly on top of the world, but his life was becoming anything but pretty....and it was about to get a whole lot more trying. The destination Phil's body was headed for was sheer misery. Phil had asked no quarter and given no quarter during the early days of Pantera. As he put it: "I would either dive into the waiting crowd or into the waiting concrete. It made no difference. I would attack! When we're young we've got a tendency to think we're invincible. When you're hopped up on a lot of booze, that tendency grows. Phil had paid a serious price for his dives off the P.A. system and the bill was just now coming due. The cost was: Two blown out discs and degenerative disc disease. His doctor told him he needed surgery or it would surely get worse. Phil asked what the recovery time would be and when the doctor told him it could be a year or more, Phil replied: "I've got gigs to play." The 90s had been a tough time for heavy metal. Even legends like Judas Priest and Dio were relegated to playing venues that weren't even half the size of what they had played in the 80s. Grunge and alternative were the anti-virtuosic trend , but Pantera was a band full of musicians who could play their asses off! Darrell Abbott is widely considered the greatest lead guitarist of his time.
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No Quarter: Phil Anselmo's Influence And Beyond
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Interesting take. I can definitely see Anselmo pushing harder styles to the mainstream after making groove metal popular. I’m not sure there are the inspiration for most screaming metal styles, but they definitely brought groove to the forefront and inspired Nu-Metal the sprout. Have you ever looked into the influences Anselmo said inspired Pantera’s switch to groove metal? His favorites were Hell Hammer and Celtic Forest, but he’s name a lot of other black metal, thrash, sludge, hardcore punk, and grind bands, like Agnostic Front, Eyehategod, Sheer Terror, Suffocation, just to name a few. I think they made thrash more commercial, but I also listened to a lot of newer screaming bands in the late 90’s that weren’t inspired by Pantera. Granted, it’s likely Pantera’s success that got more mainstream record labels interested in heavier styles.
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@Russell Spear don’t believe your ears with studio recordings. It’s best to listen to multiple live recordings to hear what they can actually do. This is especially true for high notes and screams. Screams or more extreme grit (like hardcore bark that is 90% of what Phil does live) are usually layered with at least 3 different screams in the studio to thicken it up, and then still add other choral vocal and effects to it for more tone, saturation, and compression. Even live, many bands double screams with another band member or use effects to help with doubling. It took me a lot of ear training and years of being a recording engineer to start hearing it for what it was. In I’m Broken, I believe his main tone is a hardcore bark (Static X, Slipknot, and Pantera are all known for live), then layered with a back of the mouth deathcore scream (think Fit for an Autopsy), and likely a more pure fry screams too (his black metal influences coming through).
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