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30 Types of Distortion...And More If Combined With Each Other
One of the RSS videos estimates that you teach about 30 different ways of creating, distortion. This, along with all the other choices in rock vocals gives someone a wide variety of choices to choose from when building that tone and character of the voice they want. Someone whose biggest influences are Ronnie James Dio and Geoff Tate are likely going to make very different choices in what techniques they choose to excel at then someone whose two major influences are Robert Plant and David Coverdale. Someone whose biggest influences are all nu metal vocalists will make yet different choices. It would seem to me that vocalists tend to learn maybe just 2 or 3 types of distortion and really try to master them, rather than trying to get good at many distortion techniques. Just using Ronnie James Dio as an example because of how highly regarded he was by both his fans and his peers, if you were to identify how many of the different techniques for distortion he used throughout his career in Rainbow, Black Sabbath and Dio, would you expect to find more than two or three techniques he employed? I would guess not, but I'd like to know your opinion. My idea is based on Bruce Lee's philosophy that dictated: "I don't fear the man who has practiced a thousand different kicks. I fear the man who has practiced one kick a thousand times."
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There are 30 “types” I teach in my course because the balance of the main three ingredients are different enough to call it a different style, possibly be easier for someone to do than another position, and a different sensation that can teach you more senior controlling distortion. Technically speaking, it’s not 30 different distortions. It’s a spectrum of three different controls. However you look at it, there are three ingredients for the main dish in Tex-Mex. No matter how you cook it, it’s tortilla, meat, shredded cheese. In distortion, there are three ingredients, all on a spectrum: the amount of glottal compression, the amount of arytenoid constriction, and the acoustic placement (a big c-shape of where the vowels are pointed, from the top front teeth, up and a the head, all the way to the hyoid). Control over distortion means building fine-motor control over those three things and then adding the sauce that glues it all together as one flavor — the amount of breath support and bracing the core to hold that balance together. The course defined separate positions to make it easier to learn, develop the sensation for, and build control over moving those three things across the spectrum. All that said, I think Dio could’ve easily made a couple of small adjustments to learn a new balance and could’ve been doing low guttural screams in a short amount of time. Likewise, Jens from Meshuggah could probably quickly learn a smooth grit singing voice, if he spent time singing clean too. Fine motor control over compression, constriction and acoustic placement is what’s key. Yes, you can master one position, but it’s more about choice than about skill at that point.
🎧 Songwriting Secrets: Mastering Your Song and Style
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@Russell Spear I’m pretty sure I talk about that in the RSC bonus person on recording, but I know for sure that I wrote about it in my book draft. So, if you’re not finding what you need, I can send you that chapter draft.
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@Russell Spear I looked. The book doesn't offer any more than what's in that RSC bonus. The podcast episode coming on the 15th of next month (not the 1st, like I thought) goes into microphones for nearly 30 minutes - since that's the most important part of your recording chain. I'll send it to you early via email this week if it's been edited (which I think it will be).
Not Singing Isn't Easy!
I'm starting on a two week layoff to try to finally get rid of the persistent hoarseness that led my ENT to tell me he'd like me to get a second opinion. So, I'm going to be doing things to improve my overall musical abilities such as playing guitar and educating myself on how to out a home recording studio together. I've never used a DAW, but I just bought a computer that has Logic Pro installed in it as well as Final Cut for video. I expect there's gonna be quite a learning curve on these things like learning to use a DAW and learning to make videos! None of it will be as challenging as avoiding the temptation to sing, but I'm so tired of not having a clear voice that it should give me an incentive to stay with this two week rest period. There are still a couple places in the Extreme Singing course I hadn't seen yet. I just watched "Head Voice Edging Grit. As soon as I first heard your example, my first thoughts were: "Oh, Axl Rose's technique...or Rob Halford's technique"! Speaking of extreme singing, it occurred to me that one of the great pioneers of raw, gritty singing was Janis Joplin, but she seems to rarely get talked about in those terms because she wasn't a heavy metal vocalist. Her music wasn't even hard rock, but her vocals were more extreme in the late 60s than what Plant or Marriott were doing. Sabbath started heavy metal but Ozzy Osbourne wasn't an extreme vocalist. Janis Joplin's influence would go on to be felt for decades. Her vocals were intense by any standards!
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CCR was pretty extreme too. There are a lot of great, gritty voices from that time. For recording, once you learn your way around the DAW, know that there’s a lesson on recording in the bonuses of the Rock Singing Complete course. Also, I’ve used Logic for 30 years (since before Apple took it over), used to run my own studio, trained as a mixing and mastering engineer, worked in multiple recording studios as a freelance engineer, and have trained many others on mixing and mastering. I’m happy to help. Greet your setup down first; knowing what buffer size to use with your system to have below 10ms latency (every computer, interface, and sample rate will be a bit different), what sample rate and bit depth to use and why, how to use the daw in general, gain staging, and what it’s capable of if you ever want to dive deeper. Then learn about EQ and Compression. Those will be the first two things in your fx chain. Look up Magic Frequencies by Bob Owsinski to know how each instrument naturally sits on the EQ spectrum. EQ is more important than volume and panning for separating the instruments and perceived loudness. I even setup EQ presets for each instrument with Magic Frequencies informing me where to place the dots as a starting point for anytime I mix (and an extra dot at 500Hz for controlling roominess/hollowness. There’s a chart in the RSC course supplemental bonus lessons that lays out the EQ for vocals that I think will give you a better understanding of this paragraph. When you’re ready to start singing again, let’s get you into ac training routine that not only builds coordination and strength, but gets you out of your throat, keeps you from risking over singing, and helps you grow into the voice you want.
Crossing Bridges
The "bridge" is a term I had heard before finding Rock Singing Success. I had been told there is one bridge, also called a passaggio and that learning to navigate the passaggio well (think of Chris Isaak singing Wicked Game) is the key to being able to sing with tonal consistency from low notes to high notes and not have your voice crack while you're doing it. By tonal consistency, I just mean being able to sing throughout your range and not sound like one person in mode one and sound like somebody else in mode 2. Navigating the passagio meant being able to transition from mode one to mode two seamlessly. That may be valid information. I learned it even before I ever met my first vocal coach, so since it didn't come from him, its certainly possible that it's an accurate description of what the "bridge" is: The thing that you use to move back and forth between modes one and two and not have your voice crack, or sound like two different singers. As far as I know, unless you want to count fry as "mode zero", there are just two modes. Mode one is what you typically use to speak, unless you're Mickey Mouse, and then there's mode two, which is also sometimes called head register. The voice breaks if you're not skilled in navigating the passaggio. I had gathered that you could think of the passaggio as the "bridge" that takes you from mode one into mode two. This was my understanding of "bridge" before I found RSS. R.S. found RSS. Imagine that! Good thing too, since the way I was being taught to create grit was pulverizing my larynx. "Just imagine you're lifting something heavy" - No thanks! If I were deliberately setting out to create as much unnecessary muscle tension as possible, then that would have been useful, but otherwise, no. There had to be a better way. "Just use the least amount of constriction necessary." - OK, I'm paraphrasing, but essentially that was what made RSS different from the way I was previously taught to create grit. My first coach encouraged me to constrict until no air at all was coming out and then just release tension ever so slightly until a little air can finally escape and we have "Grrrrrit"! And Reinke's Edema too!
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Thank you for your kind words! A man’s first bridge (primo passaggio) is around E4, a woman’s around A4. This is when the voice moves from chest to head register, a stark change in formant positions, M1 to M2. You can pull chest up higher or head lower as well, but not naturally. M3 or whistle voice (flageolet) starts around E5. But for men, the maxing out of the TA muscles and stark move into more of the head voice formant that happens around A4 and above is often called the second bridge. Something similar happens to women around C#4, but not as pronounced. That note is less a bridge and more where the voice is forced into a mostly heady mix in both men and women anatomy, rather than the wall that men hit at A4.
Taking Rock Vocal Lessons Compared To Pop Vocal Lessons
I wonder how much difference there is in the way that rock vocals are taught compared to how pop vocals are. Sometimes the line between pop and rock can get blurry. The Eagles had plenty of songs that must have appealed to a pop audience...and a country audience. Life In The Fast Lane is one of their few songs that doesn't sound country or pop; it is definitively rock. Overall, they appealed to fans beyond a strictly rock audience. Look at the album sales they did in the mid-70s. Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975) is still the best selling album in the U.S. after all these years. It is certified 38 x Platinum. That mark may never be broken. Towards the end of that same year, they just happened to release Hotel California. Talk about a good year for a rock band! The only reason Hotel California didn't win the Grammy for record of the year is that it was up against Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album. It has sold over 40 million copies by appealing to a very mainstream audience and being a tremendous piece of art. It was one of those few times when an album's critical acclaim and it's commercial success both got as good as it gets. Fleetwood Mac blurred the line between genres just as well as The Eagles did. More recently, on the pop side of things, Miley Cyrus has become known for doing some amazing covers of songs that venture well outside of pop. She's considered a pop star but her raspy voice and audacious stage presence fit rock music extremely well. I happen to think Miley is actually better suited for rock than pop! All this makes me wonder: Is there that much of a difference between taking lessons for rock vocals and taking lessons for pop vocals? For a rock vocalist who has the rock music fundamentals down, would transitioning into pop present vocal challenges their rock background hadn't prepared them for? Just as a hypothetical example, since George Michael is widely considered one of the greatest pop vocalists there has been, what kinds of things would a hard rock or metal vocalist have to prepare for to venture outside of their comfort zone and make the kind of album that George Michael might have made?
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It depends on the singer, but most contemporary styles have the same foundations. Pop is the most similar to rock, and you could almost see them as two ends of the same spectrum. On one end, the voice is lighter, more focused on a pretty, more heady mixed voice that takes a lot of coordination to stabilize. On the other end, you have belting up high -- which you've often heard me describe as a shape rather than a push. But there's a lot more endurance and stability strength training to support the extra throttle and musculature needed to keep the sound more chesty up high. If you extend that end of the spectrum, that's where a lot of distortion fits; which needs a lot more coordination and strength training for ultimate control over these fine-motor skills under high velocity, and conditioning over time for the extra air and oscillations in the folds. Since I train students across the entire spectrum, just short of going into Classical, I'm very familiar with the differences. One of our teachers also has a degree in vocal performance and sings opera, so I suppose we have that covered too. haha! I would say that if you want to sing pop, you'll want to train your coordination routines on several different levels, getting control over a progressively lighter mixed voice.
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